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		<title>Identity, guilt, and Guantanamo</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[An article worth noting by the routinely excellent Gary Younge on the US and Guantanamo pulls together some intriguing historical threads.
First, from a American arrested for spying in Hungary in the Stalin era, Robert Vogeler, who was held in a cell in which he slept on boards suspended inches above water, with the light always [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aroundtheedges.wordpress.com&blog=3038733&post=41&subd=aroundtheedges&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>An <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/23/guantanamo.humanrights">article worth noting</a> by the routinely excellent Gary Younge on the US and Guantanamo pulls together some intriguing historical threads.</p>
<p>First, from a American arrested for spying in Hungary in the Stalin era, Robert Vogeler, who was held in a cell in which he slept on boards suspended inches above water, with the light always on, and banging on the walls to prvent him from sleeping. Just a matter of time before you confess, he said, afterwards, but the confession was not about a conventional matter of guilt:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;To judge from the way our scripts were written,&#8221; wrote Vogeler shortly after his forced confession, &#8220;it was more important to establish our allegorical identities than to establish our &#8216;guilt&#8217;. Each of us in his testimony was obliged to &#8216;unmask&#8217; himself for the benefit of the [Soviet-led] press and radio.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The second site on a &#8216;grand tour&#8217; is Algeria, where, as Simone de Beauvoir observed, discussion of &#8216;abuse&#8217; at he time of the French atrocities, was futile:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;To protest in the name of morality against &#8216;excesses&#8217; or &#8216;abuses&#8217; is an error that hints at active complicity. There are no &#8216;abuses&#8217; or &#8216;excesses&#8217; here, simply an all-pervasive system.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And finally, to a cnversation about Nuremberg &#8211; help between two present day US military lawyers:</p>
<blockquote><p>Colonel Morris Davis, the former chief prosecutor for Guantánamo&#8217;s military commissions, recalled a meeting he had with Pentagon general counsel William Haynes, who oversees Guantánamo&#8217;s tribunal process, about the forthcoming trials of the detainees. &#8220;[Haynes] said these trials will be the Nuremberg of our time,&#8221; said Davis. Davis then pointed out that the handful of acquittals at Nuremberg had given the proceedings a sense of legitimacy and credibility that across-the-board convictions never would have.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8216;I said to him that if we come up short and there are some acquittals in our cases, it will at least validate the process,&#8221; Davis told the Nation. &#8220;At which point, [Haynes's] eyes got wide and he said, &#8216;Wait a minute, we can&#8217;t have acquittals. If we&#8217;ve been holding these guys for so long, how can we explain letting them get off? We can&#8217;t have acquittals. We&#8217;ve got to have convictions.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Read the whole article, if you&#8217;re interested in Guantanamo, or even if you&#8217;re not. Younge lets Vogeler have the last word: &#8220;Every individual American should realise that what happened to me could happen to anybody.&#8221;</p>
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